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GM Crops May Be Killing our Bees UPDATED

Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 12:52:15 PM PDT

As you all probably know, there is a mysterious die-off of our bees currently going on.  It's a huge deal, and has the potential to decimate our agriculture.

I came across an article through Raw Story that indicates that GM crops may be responsible.

http://www.spiegel.de/...

There are several theories:

The problem, says Haefeker, has a number of causes, one being the varroa mite, introduced from Asia, and another is the widespread practice in agriculture of spraying wildflowers with herbicides and practicing monoculture. Another possible cause, according to Haefeker, is the controversial and growing use of genetic engineering in agriculture.

The bees that are dying show an unusual set of symptoms..  Almost like an "AIDS" for bees.  They are often infected with all of the known bee viruses and also are infested with fungii, which indicates suppressed and damaged immune systems.

It is particularly worrisome, she said, that the bees' death is accompanied by a set of symptoms "which does not seem to match anything in the literature."

In many cases, scientists have found evidence of almost all known bee viruses in the few surviving bees found in the hives after most have disappeared. Some had five or six infections at the same time and were infested with fungi -- a sign, experts say, that the insects' immune system may have collapsed.

Furthermore, when colonies die out, neighboring bees and insects usually move into the vacant hive.  Not so in these cases, indicating that the hives are toxic.  

The scientists are also surprised that bees and other insects usually leave the abandoned hives untouched. Nearby bee populations or parasites would normally raid the honey and pollen stores of colonies that have died for other reasons, such as excessive winter cold. "This suggests that there is something toxic in the colony itself which is repelling them," says Cox-Foster.

Furthermore, bt-corn pollen doesn't kill bees by itself, but when other factors play in, mortality increases.

The study concluded that there was no evidence of a "toxic effect of Bt corn on healthy honeybee populations." But when, by sheer chance, the bees used in the experiments were infested with a parasite, something eerie happened. According to the Jena study, a "significantly stronger decline in the number of bees" occurred among the insects that had been fed a highly concentrated Bt poison feed.

Maybe the poison feed compromised their immune systems.  A caveat, however:

Of course, the concentration of the toxin was ten times higher in the experiments than in normal Bt corn pollen. In addition, the bee feed was administered over a relatively lengthy six-week period.

If this is really the cause of our bee die-off, could this be the event that will compel public opinion against GM crops?  Will Monsanto (and other GM crop producers) bear any accountability for this?

Sorry this diary is so short; just wanted to get this out there.

Update:  I'm getting killed for not providing enough information, and added blockquotes.  And please, I'm not trying to be hysterical.  Please explain where I am compelling hysteria.

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  •  This diary is B.S. (19+ / 0-)

    My bees died this winter as did those of many beekeepers.  It may be Verroa mites or tracheomites, but most of the area beekeepers blamed it on the weird weather, whereby January was very warm, inducing the queen to lay eggs, while February was very cold.  The bees in the hive won't leave the brood during cold weather, even to move to an adjacent frame to feed, hence many starved and the rest froze when the hives got to sparse.

    There is almost no large scale agriculture in this area so the likelihood of our bee death being related to GM crops is nil.  Also, most of the GM crops are grains; corn, wheat, rice, which do not rely on bee pollination.

    Bee deaths may have many causes but blaming it on GM crops is B.S.

    The sleep of reason brings forth monsters. --Goya

    by MadScientist on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:00:28 PM PDT

  •  Perfect example.... (1+ / 0-)

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    leevank

    ....of how some on the "left" think just like Bushies.

    Something happening, anything? Got an all-purpose explanation for that. No, like, evidence or anything. But I really, really believe it's (Iran) (Monsato).....

    •  "like the Bushies" (3+ / 0-)

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      bronte17, GreyHawk

      Harsh, but yeah, it's black-and-white thinking.

      Researching the issue - and quoting more from the article - would be helpful.

      I recommended melvin's comment, because he said it better than I (too tired here).

      You're like the drummer from REO Speedwagon. Nobody knows who you are.

      by Plutonium Page on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:14:54 PM PDT

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      •  Plutonium Page (0+ / 0-)

        So how is it black and white thinking?  I'm only passing along possibilites from an article.

        The excessive use of television and automobiles can be hazardous to your health.

        by Greenkermie in AZ on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:17:59 PM PDT

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        •  Ok, "black-and-white thinking"... (2+ / 0-)

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          ... isn't the right way to phrase it.

          "Cherry-picking from the article"  is a better way to put it.

          In fact, you didn't even quote the article.

          You zeroed in on one part of it and ignored the rest.

          Here's a very small part of the article, right at the beginning, where it counts (and sets the tone):

          The problem, says Haefeker, has a number of causes, one being the varroa mite, introduced from Asia, and another is the widespread practice in agriculture of spraying wildflowers with herbicides and practicing monoculture. Another possible cause, according to Haefeker, is the controversial and growing use of genetic engineering in agriculture.

          You took the last sentence and made that the entire issue, when there are obviously many that are under consideration.

          I've been guilty of cherry-picking, and got my ass kicked for it, but good, here at dailyKos (years ago), so I guess I can see how it's easy to do.

          Anyway, the article is pretty interesting, and I'm very glad you posted the link;  Der Spiegel is a very respectable source.  And I agree that GM [anything] is something to be concerned about, because we simply don't know much about the possible consequences of introducing it into the environment.

          In other words, I see where you're coming from here, and it sounds like we share the same concerns.

          You're like the drummer from REO Speedwagon. Nobody knows who you are.

          by Plutonium Page on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:32:57 PM PDT

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    •  Did I say it was GM crops? (7+ / 0-)

      I said it 'may be' GM crops.

      Talk about being like a "Bushie," spouting off on a strawman.

      The excessive use of television and automobiles can be hazardous to your health.

      by Greenkermie in AZ on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:19:55 PM PDT

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      •  diary is responsible and scientific (1+ / 0-)

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        ladybug53

        in that it reports on a phenomena, how there were observations of an association of GM material compounding effects of pathogens, proposes an hypothesis, which suggest experimental confirmation of said hypothesis to become an operating theory. Entirely consonant with sound scientific method, not hysterical, and certainly not similar to the denial and avoidance of scientific rigor which is hallmark of current regime. Diarist is not jumping to conclusions, diarist is merely reporting phenomena, observations, associations. I'm more disturbed by the knee-jerk reaction to defend GM plant material.

  •  While this diary is a lot (10+ / 0-)

    better than a few that we have seen lately on the subject, it is still to close to hysteria. And I say that as no particular friend of GM.

    It may well be that this has nothing to do with GM. That is not to say that one can unleash these things and expect them to have no effect. DDT was considered harmless too.

    All I am asking is that these bee threads be used to alert us to any factual information on

    • Any hard evidence of what is behind CCD
    • Information on the immediate current status of other pollinators, in particular other bee species including native bumblebees, etc.

    What's so hard about Peace, Love, and Truth and Progress?

    by melvin on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:01:57 PM PDT

  •  How about including the reasons from the (3+ / 0-)

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    article in your cruddy poll?

    The problem, says Haefeker, has a number of causes, one being the varroa mite, introduced from Asia, and another is the widespread practice in agriculture of spraying wildflowers with herbicides and practicing monoculture. Another possible cause, according to Haefeker, is the controversial and growing use of genetic engineering in agriculture.

  •  GM Crops (2+ / 0-)

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    ladybug53, melvin

    Soy and potatoes both are GM and have flowers visited by bees. Still, I suspect that pesticide cocktails they encounter moving from one place to another likely has more damaging effect on them.

    Barbara Lee and Howard Dean Speak for me! -9.25 -9.18

    by laurak on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:09:31 PM PDT

  •  Maybe we could say that there is a big problem (8+ / 0-)

    and all avenues need to be investigated.  We need the bee's.

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:09:32 PM PDT

    •  With that, I emphatically agree! (0+ / 0-)

      I don't personally think GM crops are the most likely explanation, but ALL of the potential explanations need to be investigated objectively, and we need to take the results of those investigations wherever they lead us in terms of public policy.

      "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

      by leevank on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 02:18:57 PM PDT

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  •  While this may be hyped hysteria or not (1+ / 0-)

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    my sense tells me that you can fool Mother Nature for awhile . . . we see this in so many aspects of our lives, especially in health, wellness, nutrition, agriculture . . . but she will win in the end.  We fool her at our peril.

    Life is a series of trade-offs.

    Life is a series of trade-offs . . .

    by steamkettle on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:12:16 PM PDT

  •  It's disturbing. Considering it was first (7+ / 0-)

    reported in mid-November 2006it has gone far and wide. Whatever it the cause it is disturbing.

    To combat the problem, a group called the Colony Collapse Disorder Working Group was formed by researchers, extension agents and regulatory officials from across the nation. The group, which is out of the Mid-Atlantic Apiculture Research and Extension Consortium, reported that as of 2007, some large commercial migratory beekeepers had lost 50 percent to 90 percent of their colonies.

    They are looking at nutrition, pathogens and pesticides.

    Canada is looking into a pesticide containing imidacloprid that had been banned in other countries due to it's effect on bees. Canada started using it in 1999.

    They don't mention GM crops but we'd better be looking at those too. This kind of die-off is something new so we should be especially attentive to what is new in the enviroment.

    This matters.

  •  Are GM crops killing the frogs, too? (1+ / 0-)

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    Hear they're not doing so well of late, either . . .

  •  I will delete the diary if I should.. (0+ / 0-)

    I need to go to a friend's house, but will check from there and act accordingly.

    Seems like it's a duplicated topic, and it certainly has touched a nerve.

    Let me know.  Thanks.

    The excessive use of television and automobiles can be hazardous to your health.

    by Greenkermie in AZ on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:32:19 PM PDT

    •  I don't think you should delete it ... (3+ / 0-)

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      Canadian Reader, leevank, bigchin

      Both your diary and the article it links to simply posit that GM crops may be a contributing cause to the bee die-off. And there is at least one scientific study to support a possible link. Sure, this is speculative rather than proven science, but I really don't think you overstated your case. I guess the attempt at  humor in your poll rubbed some the wrong way.

      I also think that people on this site are so proud to call themselves members of the "reality-based" community that they wax overly critical whenever studies like yours are discussed. I've seen similar antagonism towards studies on the mercury-tainted vaccinations/autism link, even though there is some interesting, if unproven, research there as well.

    •  No leave it (1+ / 0-)

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      The fact that it's touched a nerve is interesting.

      There are a lot of diaries that touch on speculations here and for the most part they are treated with respect.

      You're getting the kind of reaction the mortality rates in Iraq got - it's not so much the methodology that bothers people, as the conclusion.

      We don't know if this is a factor, the factor, or irrelevant, and the diary makes that point reasonably clear.

      Anybody who claims to know what is killing the bees is full of it, and that applies to some of the critics here more than to the scientists exploring one particular avenue.

      I don't find this line particularly compelling, but it will be interesting to look back in 6 months and see what we've learned.

  •  Greenkermie in AZ -- (3+ / 0-)

    You are partly the victim of a number of diaries that have come before that were way out of line. Actually there is not so much wrong IMO with your title or even your diary by itself, but it needs to made clear that there is no real evidence right now to support the charge that GM is behind this, even as a contributing factor.

    You surely see how Gore, and the entire world scientific community for that matter, is attacked in this lunatic country of ours even with mountains of evidence behind them. It is important not to make claims that can't be supported, that's all.

    Don't take it personally. I would ask commenters to please try to see this from GKAZ's pov as well.

    What's so hard about Peace, Love, and Truth and Progress?

    by melvin on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:35:14 PM PDT

  •  Hi Green (6+ / 0-)

    i've been following this issue pretty closely because i have a huge variety of bees here (including what may be some runaway honeybees, although i also have feral honeybees, and some damned bumblebees who i usually love but who have apparently dug in somewhere around my front porch because they're freaking patrolling it and raising a stink everytime i go outside).

    and it's my understanding the latest take is that this might be a reoccurrence of an earlier disease, and so far, there is no evidence it's GMOs.

    although that doesn't mean it isn't.

    i've also read on some beekeeping forums that these kinds of die-offs are not that unusual.

    and that it may have something to do with some beekeepers being paid to move their hives around to pollinate crops.

    iow - they don't yet know.

    not that i'm a GMO crop fan because i'm not, and don't let the biotech people scare you off because indeed there are articles in peer reviewed journals and other stuff etc showing GMO crops aren't all they're cracked up to be.

    but i haven't had time to read the thread and i won't have time so i don't know if you're catching heat because of that.

    in any case, long convoluted way around to say they don't know (last i saw, which was last week, i believe) what's going on, but so far, GMOs aren't implicated.

    if you're really interested in this issue, i can give you some good bee links a little later.

    James Inhofe (R - Exxon): The greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the people of Oklahoma. - Eiron

    by cookiebear on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:45:29 PM PDT

  •  BEE"S DON"T (3+ / 0-)

    Make OIL. If we had a real president the EPA and the dept of agriculture would be all over this. But like polar bears it is a no no

    . If HYPOCRICY stank you cold not get with in a mile of a Republican.

    by roxnev on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 01:54:35 PM PDT

  •  Ah geez this diary is taking a disappointing turn (0+ / 0-)

    initially I saw some hope that GM crops were finally helping to kill off the bees once and for all (they've totally freaked me out since the X-Files and nothing would make me happier to see them go the way of smallpox) but now that looks not to really be the case after all . . .

    Oh well, I'm sure they'll come up with something in time . . .

  •  What YOU can do! (6+ / 0-)

    Although I've got my doubts that GM crops are the major explanation for this problem, there's no doubt that overuse of insecticides and GM crops are A problem for other reasons.  And the primary reason for both of those problems isn't greedy chemical or agribusiness companies -- it's US as consumers.

    During my youth, I regularly ate tomatoes or apples in which there was a worm hole or two, and bananas or other fruit or vegetables that were either a little green or slightly overripe.  And you know what?  They actually tasted better, and were every bit as healthy, as the perfect-looking fruit and vegetables that you buy at the grocery store today.  Those perfect-looking fruits and vegetables don't look that way because somebody picked out the best-looking ones and threw away the rest (wasteful as that would be in a world in which people are hungry), but because of chemicals.  And those chemicals are applied BECAUSE WE DEMAND the appearance that they're the only practical means of assuring.

    Our demand for "perfect" fruits and vegetables is being exported to Central America, where supermarkets that provide "perfect" fruits and vegetables are displacing many of the smaller vendors.  And the only farmers who can provide such "perfect" fruits and vegetables are large operations that can afford, and use, the "chemical inputs" that make them possible.  As a result, many of the smaller farmers are being squeezed out, as they have been here.

    In almost every city and town, there is a farmer's market where it's possible to purchase, in season, locally grown fruits and vegetables.  Whether or not their products are officially "organic," they almost always involve much lower use of artificial chemicals than what you purchase in the grocery stores.  And they keep what are GENUINELY family farms in existence, rather than the huge agribusinesses that get most of the federal "farm support" money.

    "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

    by leevank on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 02:43:24 PM PDT

  •  Appreciate the diary (0+ / 0-)

    Not sure why so much name calling in a discussion on this subject.  I don't think myself the diarist is being alarmist.  And genetic engineering is presented just as a theory.

    I appreciate discussions like this because there are numerous epidemics in America (cancer, Alzheimers, autism) which I'd guess we'll find are caused by unnatural foods and man-caused changes to our environment.

    It wouldn't surprise me at all if we find we have tinkered with something and done the same to honey bees.

    And who trusts Bush's executive branch to be alert on matters of science, health, and national security?

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